You guys seem to want to have this discussion so here it goes

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  1. ypperin

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    We have received countless requests to be able to revisit IP bans or extended "nounban" bans with the possiblity of considering them for appeal. Often it is a request that this appeal would be directed to either ypperin or Its_. Some have stated as short as 6 months and others as long as 1 yr. I'm interested in hearing what the community, in one location, thinks about this, what kind of consideration we should give to this suggestion. What thoughts do YOU as a community have on this situation? Is it something you are completely opposed to, or is it something that should be on a case by case basis?

    Currently if someone is IP banned, unless it is an error, the chances of them being appealed are neglegible.

    Situations in which you find IP banned players:
    • Repeat offenders hacking
    • DDoS'ing (threat or actual proof found during screensharing regardless of whether the offense was due to provocation being retaliation or targeting)
    • Dox'ing (threat or actual proof found during screensharing regardless of whether the offense was due to provocation being retaliation or targeting)
    • IP ban evading (IP bans are the same as a blacklist)
    Situations in which you find "nounban" bans:
    • Hacking / rage hacking
    • Teaming with Hackers
    • Teaming with IP ban evaders with excessive offenses
    • Alts of those teaming with hackers/ip ban evaders
    • Over the top excessive disrespect

    Two perspectives I see:
    • By allowing IP banned players with a minimum ban time to appeal in certain circumstances could alleviate some of the "repeat offenders".
    • Alternatively they could just do the same thing again.

    What I'm interested in seeing:
    • What is your input on the situation as a whole?
    • If you support considering these members under what circumstances or situations do you see members of these groups being considered?
    • What concerns do you have with players in these groups being considered?
    • What is your historical experience with the circumstance and why have you made the review you have?
    This is an open dialogue. That means I want to see what you guys have to say, what your concerns are, what are the positives, the negatives.

    Please keep the chat respectful. Give background and basis for your dialogue and conversation.

    The results of this conversation do NOT necessarily mean processes will change. It just gives us an idea and provides players an open platform.
     
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  2. lxlpandeh

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    anything related to threats should stay as it is eligible for payed unban but teaming with hackers and hackers

    teaming with hackers should be a 30 day ban no unban available for purchase. cause you dont know how many sets that guy got from the hacker.
    hackers perm ban duhhhh
     
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  3. MisterTurtie

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    Everyone deserves a second chance, considering i was banned for 6 months for something i said in chat as a joke, I think more people should be able to be unbanned.
     
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  4. B4TMAN

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    You should make it so IP banned people can pay a large amount to be un ipbanned. Maybe 150-200 dollars.

    Also #GiveMagicAWar
     
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  5. ImaRandy

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    Unban all the first offense players that this occurred to.-JettOG and everyone else who shouldn't have gotten perm banned, just temp.
     
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  6. xNoYeezys

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  7. BACONSHEEP

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    and i think that people that are banned for DDOS and DOX threats should not be allowed back on the server. This is a major offense that could lead to many problems for the victims of these "Crimes"
     
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  8. Donwee8

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    I think that That rage hacking should not be a nounban nor excessive disrespect. AS far as doxing, if one player msgs someone else there name, it should not be bannable due to the fact that the person is not releasing personal information to the public but merely to the other person. ip bans should be 6 months k thx
     
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  9. Logan <3

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    I mean there was nothing in the rules before this saying teaming with ip banners wasn't allow. I legit didn't do it but I mean GG BABY!
     
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  10. MyWifeIsMyCuzin

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    with all of the best factions banned for "teaming with an alt" i think there should be temp bans given to these offenders or there will not be any pvp especially god pvp
     
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    give em another chance
     
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    I was banned over 18 months ago. Waiting for an unban since I can't afford one. I vote for another chance... I was 15 when i got banned. I am 17 now. I think that people who have been banned a long time deserve an unban.
     
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  14. ypperin

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    Honestly, I think that for some bans, they could be revisited after a few months. For instance, some teaming with hackers bans or excessive disrespect. Some of those bans could have been either "false" or over the top to an extent. However, with IP bans related to hacking, dossing or doxxing, they shouldnt be reconsidered as long as there is 100% valid evidence (as there usually always is). With IP bans too, I think the community would def like to see our reports get responded to a lot quicker.
     
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    This is the way I see it. If someone really wants to be unip banned then they should prove it by paying a certain amount. If they care so much they will pay up to 100 - 150$. If not that then I would allow anyone who has been banned for 6 months or longer to be un ip banned and eligable for an un ban. :D
     
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  17. Kinetic

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    Saying you have someone's ip in chat is a great joke!!
    ^^
     
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  18. Safety

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    Its not hard to evade an ip ban as is. Its much more beneficial to the community to try to allow these players to come back and play legit, if they do it again they get banned again, hardly any harm in that. There are WAY more ip banned players that play on alts than you guys know and giving them a "second chance" could help the situation. I understand that it could end up harming the community but I trust your judgement on who to allow on the server and who not to.
     
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    Personally, I think that if someone was IPbanned, besides for ACTUALLY ddos'ing/dox'ing someone, after 9-12 months they should have the opportunity to potentially get unbanned. However, after that point, any ban they receive would be permanent and they would not be able to get unbanned in anyway.

    I believe this would be a pretty good solution, since if you were an immature 12 y/o and got banned, after those 9-12 months, you'd hopefully have matured enough to be able to understand better, especially after the IP ban, what consequences your actions will have. My reasoning behind having it be extremely strict afterwards with them being permbanned with no other chance of being unbanned, is that they shouldn't even have been give that second chance anyway, so if they truly want to be able to play on the server, they should be willing to 100% follow the rules, and never do anything that would get them banned.

    If they haven't matured at all, or just hack/ddos/dox again, then they will end up getting banned again, and then they don't get any more chances, however, if they have matured, then they have their final chance to be able to be a productive member of the community again.

    Just my opinion, there are probably better ways to go about this :p
     
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  20. SenpaiNub

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    Over the course of having played this server for a very long time, I've noticed that these types of threads seem to come up very frequently. I figured I'd give my 2 cents on this issue. Now before just hating on this post, I ask you to read this post and try to understand this perspective on the matter.

    Now, now, hold on, I am not going to go around saying "UnBaN aLl Ip BaNnEd PlAyErS"

    IP bans are great, they tremendously clean up the toxicity, cheating and other unethical happenings on the server(to an extent).

    However, here's my personal ideas on the issue: At the end of the day, we must remember that for the large part, we are dealing with a community full of pubescent teenagers. These are growing individuals and their attitudes and ways of thinking change rapidly over time. I have personally seen extremely toxic people turn into some of the nicest people I currently know and vice versa. I feel that resorting to permanent punishment on the basis of one mistake or a series of mistakes within a phase of their life is not warranted.

    I'm sure someone will bring up the point that a lot of the actions that cause for IP bans are illegal things such as dd0sing and d0xing or that people do get punished permanently for one time mistakes IRL. However, I must urge you to remember that at the end of the day, we are playing a video game and that we are dealing with people that aren't fully aware of the consequences their actions have.

    Purchasing IP unbans is a ridiculous idea and should never be implemented. However, I feel as though after a certain period of time(6~12 months), these players should be permitted a review of their IP ban, which would go in the form of a simple conversation with the administrative team(in ts) and they can judge whether or not the person has matured enough to the given another chance.

    "BUT NUBS, ITS UNREALISTIC TO THINK THAT STAFF HAVE TIME TO TALK TO EVERY SINGLE IP BANNED PLAYER"

    In my observation, most IP banned players tend to be very active members of this community (in game, forums or both) and (although this shouldn't be a factor) are people that have supported the upkeep of the server through donations. Despite the harm they do or have done, they do help keep the server alive and thriving. We all know that ultimately, cosmic is in fact a business. Think of this as a form or Public relations. Taking a few minutes out of your time to have a conversation with someone that has invested so much time (and money) into this business should not be considered too much to do as it isn't in any other business.

    Once again, I will re-iterate, I am not suggesting that we unban IP-banned players, I am simply stating that it perhaps we should treat it with more leniency and consideration and in the process give the players an opportunity to show why they deserve another chance.

    * No, I am not currently or have ever been an IP banned player.
    * No, no close friend of mine was recently IP banned


    I would be glad to see criticism or other opinions on this issue, but please do so in good faith. Give an explanation for why you disagree with the post so I have the opportunity to respond to it.

    As requested by badmin @Topkektopus
     
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