What legacy is missing

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  1. Swarm

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    idk about you guys. But I miss pvp at spawn war zone like the old days. The derp meta just carry’s on from current cosmic. Idk bout you but spawn pvp was the stuff
     
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    Yeah but this is something the players have just developed over time through playing. You can't really do anything to make players wanna pvp at spawn any more than at other warps with derps.
     
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    It’s missing me
     
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  4. Swarm

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    warps are a 10th of the size. Why pvp at WZ when derp is 2 pearls away from warp spawn
     
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    You ASKED for OG warps.

    As I have explained over and over:

    OG warps had a radius of 8 chunks.... why?
    • There were 5 OG warps
    • Having more warps means you have to ensure you're warps are
      • not too close to each other
      • don't take up too much space on the map
    • OG warps were selected based on their natural biomes which means it's a roll of the cards
      • Is the biome big enough
      • Does it require minimal terraforming for a more vanilla feel
      • Is the proposed warp far enough away from other warps?

    Current Cosmic Galaxy Warps have 15 chunk radius.... why?
    • There's only 3 warps with their own purpose
      • Desert
        • Flat
        • little to no major obstacles that are not obvious (like holes)
        • perfect for pvp
      • Icy
        • Predominantly flat
        • Have some obstacles for things like fallen heroes
        • Meant for speed and envoys
      • Hills
        • Very little terraforming
        • More holes and caves for fallen heroes
        • Perfect for newer players and non-pvp'ers who fly through envoys
    Heck even the 5 warps I chose you guys still couldn't agree on:
    "ypperin I wish there was 'Icy Plains'"
    "ypperin I wish there was 'Ocean'"


    It's a no win situation my dude. I added costs to claim like you guys asked as well. Personally I prefer 3 large warps to 5 small warps. That said, it's not what you guys asked for.
     
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    The issue with a community is they don't know what they want, I believe you know this more than anyone. I don't understand why you'd go off of what the community wants aha.
     
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    Because if she doesn't, then the entire community takes to the forums saying that Ypperin never listens to them
     
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    Lol no way you aren’t pulling your hair out rn @ypperin
     
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  9. ypperin

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    When it comes to Legacy I believe it is a "feel" they want. They want it to be Nostalgic and nostalgia does funny things to our memory.

    Some basic examples:
    I remember when I was first setting up warps on alien planet map 2, they'd had no pvp based warps at all that map and it was the first thing they asked for. I set the warp prior to claiming the warzone (hey I was new) and a whole slew of players found it, warped to it, destroyed it, and made several hours of work for me.

    What I remember about that incident:
    I remember that incident fondly
    I remember the signs left at the warp "thank you for an admin that cares" and "thank you for an admin who tries"
    I remember those warps keeping me up late late late but fondly

    What I don't remember?
    The frustration
    The exasperation


    The same can be said about any OG bug or any OG scenario. Ever wonder why some stuff changes? Because it was necessary or because it made more sense

    Case in point:
    Warps
    5 warps were removed because:
    • players were upset at how little space there was
    • players were upset that you could pearl to the edges
    • players were upset stuff like ragdoll could null and void a pvp match
    3 warps were implemented because
    • Larger space for a warp (15 chunks vs 8 chunks)
      • No pearling to edges
      • No ragdoll across the map
    • All three warps would have a distinct purpose rather than just hoping for /wild landing a decent biome
    • Easier to terraform 3 warps vs 5 despite the larger space because it is all in one location
    Other situations that are similar:
    Tp Exhaustion
    • Players were upset about no xp when killing people in warzone
    Pay to claim around warzones
    • Players were upset that those with the fastest ping would get claims often claiming heaps as well that derps were created right up against warzones from the moment the server was open
    Battlefield
    • Players wanted a pvp location that did not offer a place to build derps and traps and was more competitive with limited commands
    Heroic Envoy
    • Players who dominate pvp were upset that nobody else would go to battlefield so they needed something worth risking gear for
    The End
    • Players who dominate pvp wanted a location where it was more geared towards lighter enchants, no derps, and limiting environment for more competition

    The list goes on and on. I digress, it's more that players are seeking a "feel" and that's what we've tried to do. Why did I choose to implement their request for OG Warps? So it could give that same "feel".
     
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    I get what you are saying, the only community added suggestion people really liked is pay to claim derps.

    Honestly, I mis-said the whole thing, I meant valuing what the community say over yours, listening to the communitys lead to more complaints then not listening. I don't play cosmic anymore, wish I could, but legacy feels out dated and cosmic feels to new so there's no need for me anymore, I run my own cosmic like server now, but listening to the community over your own opinion is from what I've seen the downfall of all major owners.
     
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  12. ypperin

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    Well that's not entirely true. Many like:
    • Soul enchants being limited to divine and natures
    • No custom sets
    • No mkits
    • No Strongholds
    • Inquisitive
    • Faction Power
    • Depthstrider
    • No Holy Whitescrolls
    • No Faction points or core chunks or raid claims.

    ;)
    It absolutely can happen and that's why I'm not the one that makes all the decisions. Cosmic is a team effort, and as much as I voice the voice of the community there are others there to help balance it. More often than not that results in a balance.

    No, it's not always perfect, but, despite popular belief, more of the community's feels and concerns are better received that way, and the community is not left out and ignored. I don't agree with valuing my say over the community's because of some really important reasons:
    Most cosmic updates come from, are based off of, or are directly the result of community suggestions in some way shape and form and you know what? These guys have had some amazing ideas:
    • Amazing and unique enchants
    • Implementation of the End and an End Boss
    • Implementation of /warp battlefield
    • Outposts
    • Black Scrolls
    • White Scrolls
    • Transmog Scrolls
    • Randomization Scrolls
    • KOTH
    • Conquest

    just to name a few.

    And to be completely honest, as much as they are salty, cause every community needs to be salty about something, this community has stood by cosmic for 4.5 years. I've watched as the youngins in those OG vids have grown into college kids and still play. I've watched them bring their friends in and their younger siblings, and tbh I don't think you could find a better core group of players.

    So yes, as much as I understand that "specific" requests may not be the underlying suggestion a community member makes, it's our job, as CM's and Devs and Owners to hear what they are saying and try to understand the underlying want / need / expectation.

    And even then not everyone will love it cause not everyone can agree on everything.
     
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    ay ay big up @Gertius on the end boss
     
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    Im not saying I dont prefer smaller warps. Im saying that the warzone at this point of time is useless. Its only used for bosses. Make it interesting or relevant. That were pvp on cosmic was born. Id prefer cosmic without warps tbh
     
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    False. Desert? Used by pro derpers that evolved a little from wild pvp. Icy? Used by bhoppers or irrelevant envoy peasants. Hills? Used by trainees to go envoy or idiots doing rank quests / fallen heroes
     
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    I don't see the point of having 5 warps when only 1 is used reg. Envoys have always been better at spawn, just no1 goes there now cuz its safer to be a pussy and got to a warp
     
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